REALGSA
6:20 Wed Mar 6
Re: Lee Bowyer
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Was a fantastic player at Leeds.
He had previous for bad behavour at Bow Mcdonalds and spouted something racist they said. Plus that fight in Leeds. Also that fight on the pitch vs he own teammate Dyer.
But in his first spell I was dissapointed in his performances.
The protest on his debut outside the ground I felt they were not even supporters just a rent a mob pitching up!
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Nagel
3:27 Wed Mar 6
Re: Lee Bowyer
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I seem to remember that in Roeder's first season, people involved at the club were saying that we were more professional than we'd been under Redknapp, which goes to show how bad it had been.
This is one example, from an interview with Kanoute, a couple of months after Roeder started:
"It is more professional but it won't improve in one or two weeks - or two months.
"We have to wait for this way of working to settle; it will get easier but there is no secret, you have to work hard.
Detailing the changes made under Glenn Roeder, he adds:
"It is the whole thing: eating well, having a good rest, getting the staff who look after us a little bit - this year it is much better.
But he does not want to imply criticism of Harry Redknapp, and adds:
"I miss him a little bit because he was a nice man and I was happy with him too.
"But now it is different; the club wanted to change a little and now I am happy because everyone worked harder."
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southbankbornnbred
3:10 Wed Mar 6
Re: Lee Bowyer
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Good chat with Bowyer, that.
It's nothing we didn't know, of course, when it comes to Roeder and the 2002/03 season - but it is interesting hearing from people who came into the club mid-season just how bad things were on the training ground etc.
That was on Roeder, of course. Because he simply wasn't a manager of any ability or standing. He was the man who put out the cones for Redknapp. He didn't know how to generate a professional culture like Bowyer was used to at Leeds.
But the culture of West Ham by then had taken hold over a few seasons - and Redknapp (who I liked as manager in the 90s) has to take some responsibility for it, too. Towards the back end of the Redknapp era things started to get very lax - hence Di Canio was always mouthing off that the training wasn't intense enough etc.
Interestingly, Kanoute and others have said that the culture at West Ham just slid behind other professional teams over a number of years - and the likes of Bowyer and Les Ferdinand spotted it the moment they walked through the gates.
But that's when you need a good chairman and chief exec, as well as manager, because you have to have good people who know football and can take a step back from the day-to-day shit to assess where you are and whether you're doing the basics right.
We had Terry Brown and his ill-informed acolytes overseeing Roeder and a deeply inexperienced coaching staff (no offence meant to Sarge, who I loved as a player, but he'd barely coached before he came in as assistant manager). What a shitshow.
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Willtell
3:08 Wed Mar 6
Re: Lee Bowyer
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I watched it this morning and it kept my attention for half an hour or so unlike so many other WH podcasts. He made me laugh about Newcastle being another country where it was so cold!
Yes the Roeder comments were eye opening. I always said Roeder was a "chinless wonder" because that's how he looked. A school teacher more than a football manager. Yet everyone said he was a terrific coach. A bit like the media and ex-players all say the same about Moyes.
Bowyer said Roeder asked him how they stopped giving away set piece goals at Leeds. His answer was we practice for them...
Shouldn't speak ill of the dead but to go from Redknapp to Roeder was so backward looking but let's not forget what a wanker Terence Brown was in those days...
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Fauxstralian
1:46 Wed Mar 6
Re: Lee Bowyer
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His contract allowed him final say on sales and as said the sale of McCartney and Anton to Sunderland was without his agreement.
That said complaining about the sale of those two for £14m is an unfortunate hill to die on.
Dont think he managed again after that ... and we got McCartney back on a free 3 years later
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1:08 Wed Mar 6
Re: Lee Bowyer
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Curbishley did the club for breach of contract and won compensation.
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zico
1:02 Wed Mar 6
Re: Lee Bowyer
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Good interview that, enjoyed it, seems a funny decent guy. Only thing I think they got wrong is Curbs walked out didn't he when Anton and McCartney got sold didn't he rather than get sacked?
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1:00 Wed Mar 6
Re: Lee Bowyer
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When people look back at that time and ask how could a squad that talented go down this conversation provides an answer.
We were a ship of fools back then lead by the hapless Roeder who could not impose the reasonable professional disciplines much required after the excesses of the Redknapp years. That ducking and diving barrow boy, in common with others of his ilk, was more interested in lining his pockets at the club’s expense.
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Lee Trundle
12:59 Wed Mar 6
Re: Lee Bowyer
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" I remember the lefty element of our fanbase saying they’d boycott games and of course, never did."
There was a pathetic protest outside at the ground as well.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2003/jan/11/newsstory.sport
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joe royal
12:46 Wed Mar 6
Re: Lee Bowyer
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Was odd that he was the only one to be found not guilty but all the protests were about him.
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Pub Bigot
12:34 Wed Mar 6
Re: Lee Bowyer
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Kaiser, wasn’t he acquitted of the incident he, Duberry and Woodgate were involved in?
And no, the cry of racism only came up when he joined us. I remember the lefty element of our fanbase saying they’d boycott games and of course, never did.
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Northern Sold
12:31 Wed Mar 6
Re: Lee Bowyer
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Played football with his cousin for years... decent bloke... had a proper beak on him... went to his staggy and wedding (didn't last)... Lee bought him a toaster as a wedding present....
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Kaiser Zoso
12:26 Wed Mar 6
Re: Lee Bowyer
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Remember the media stoking up some outrage that West Ham were signing a ‘racist’
Never happened at any other club he signed for?
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terry-h
11:29 Wed Mar 6
Re: Lee Bowyer
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I wonder if he might apply for the vacant job at West Ham at the end of the season.
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Manuel
11:27 Wed Mar 6
Re: Lee Bowyer
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Always quite liked Bowyer, a good pro and was a good player.
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Pub Bigot
11:11 Wed Mar 6
Re: Lee Bowyer
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Enjoyed the interview. Comes across like a decent bloke, and is the first player I’ve heard tell the truth about the 02/03 relegation season.
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riosleftsock
8:59 Wed Mar 6
Re: Lee Bowyer
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Manuel is correct.
It was a dutch construction and building services firm i was on a contract with and she came in as MD half way through
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Coffee
7:48 Wed Mar 6
Re: Lee Bowyer
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Manuel, you really shouldn't make assumptions. They're dangerous and can lead to all sorts of misunderstandings.
But yes, quite probably.
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Manuel
6:45 Wed Mar 6
Re: Lee Bowyer
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Coffee - I assume sock meant she had no idea what she was doing in a work related arena, not in the bedroom, or a ford escort in the car park?
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Coffee
6:41 Wed Mar 6
Re: Lee Bowyer
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riosleftsock 1:03 Wed Mar 6
That's worthy of way more than a one line post.
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Sydney_Iron
6:02 Wed Mar 6
Re: Lee Bowyer
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Actually, the whole Iron Cast interview is well worth a watch, entertaining as well as insightful.
his biggest regret (in the headline of the Podcast)? Not signing for Liverpool.........
Top lad is Lee, now the manager of the mighty Monserrat trying to win a berth at the WC.
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